the "LUMP" and the WORDS (buy "WHO OPENS")

I've been reading Seamus Heaney's poetics essay, "Feeling Into Words," for class and taking a break from it by reading Jesse Seldess's volume of poetry, "WHO OPENS." My poetry professor from last semester gave me the latter text at the Charles Bernstein reading from last week and it has provided an interesting contrast--or seeming contrast--to what Heaney's essay has been discussing. (By the way, I'm supposed to tell everyone to purchase a copy of "WHO OPENS." It was published by my professor's press, Kenning, and it is some truly good stuff. See: www.spdbooks.org and the photo above. Okay, there's my spiel (*almost... spiel is a German word, you know).)
To help get out some of the essential ideas in his essay, Heaney referred to the following quote by Robert Frost: "a poem begins as a lump in the throat, a homesickness, a lovesickness. It finds the thought and the thought finds the words." Heaney had previously made the distinction between craft and technique and he returns to discuss technique as "more vitally and sensitively connected with that first activity where the 'lump in the throat' finds 'the thought' than with 'the thought' finding 'the words.'" I seemed to have wanted to hear someone say something like this, or something that puts limits on poetry and what it should be. See, I've been deeply pondering this writing thing. This act of writing and what can be considered poetry, what not... when is a first thought an okay thought--if it is no longer considered a dumb thought? Can poems begin from the words that are thought or slammed on paper, or should a poet have at first an idea or feeling--a "lump in the throat"--that can drive the poem to its end? So far, Heaney (and Frost) seem to believe that the words of a poem will take the shape of the idea / feeling / "lump in the throat" that started first.
As I've been reading "WHO OPENS" (buy it) I feel as though the words in the poem--the essential and carrying words--are what take the poetry to its end, and are what create the sense, the feeling of the poem... I might even call this feeling "the lump in the throat." To help give you a better idea of "WHO OPENS," (buy it) let me say that the poems must be read aloud--they are dependent upon sound and, as one reviewer noted, "a certain elasticity." Yet, somehow a core set of words came into importance in this poetry -- there's a tremendous amount of repetition of phrases, words, sounds in this work, but certain core words that weave each line within the poems together -- and I wonder if these core words originated with that "lump in the throat" or with themselves.
Perhaps this work doesn't contrast with Heaney and Frost's ideas at all... I suppose only the poet knows and can speak on the matter. Any of you have any thoughts on this? Even having not read the works I've been talking about... I wonder whether we could successfully find a poem that began outside of that "lump," but rather sprang from a word itself. However, when they say that the words are supposed to come after the thought, which comes after the lump, doesn't that seem constricting to poetry? Isn't poetry an almost limitless entity? I don't think "entity" is really the word I mean, but it could be.
By Heaney and Frost's standards, is poetry that starts with a word (that we know starts with a word -- imagine it if you can) not actually poetry? Or is it poetry that falls outside of what certain scholars call "good" or "bad"? I think I've shifted the discussion from technique to all poetry in general... and maybe that's a problem, for the sake of being true to Heaney's words.
Ah, well... I've gone on long enough. Thoughts or confusions?
P.S. Thanks for humoring me in the advertisement for "WHO OPENS" (buy it -- I really mean it).

5 Comments:
Bethany -
i have a book of poetry to plug, too. if you can, take a look at "Walking to Martha's Vineyard," by Franz Wright. i think that book of poetry is closest to me. also--i really want to read a book of poetry called "Door in the Mountain" by Jean Valentine. i think you'd like that, too.
as for whether a poem begins or should begin as an emotion or a thought--i think there's something out there that's deeper than either thought or emotion, that thought and emotion come from. something that's essential to us, that defines us. i know--so vague--but i have no idea how to articulate this. it's just that i keep thinking that my thoughts and emotions are so untrustworthy--they can be twisted and skewed by natural chemical changes, by outside events, by drugs. so, to my way of thinking, there must be something more to me--perhaps that is what we mean when we say "mind" or "soul"--that is essential and defining. because i would still be me even if i lost my mind, right? anyway, i tell myself i would. but maybe thoughts and emotions are both articulations of the soul. poems, to me, are these fluid creations of thought and emotion, where thought and emotion are so intertwined that it really doesn't matter which came first. i love Seamus Heaney's poetry, but i would ignore him when he says that a poem must begin in an emotion. besides, thoughts and emotions are inextricably linked to each other. why bother trying to separate them? all good poems are thoughtful and passionate in some way.
ha, i love making pronouncements about things ;)
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Emily, At
5:23 PM
I'll probably buy the book, or request it for my approaching birthday ;)
I like this discussion, and I like what Meg said about it. From my experience, I would argue that I would actually not still be me if I lost my mind, but that's an aside fromt the real discussion, which is about poetry. I think the best poetry does start with a lump in the throat, but we can't separate thought and emotion from each other. Any poem that goes too far in one or the other direction is simply no good. Hmm, I guess I don't have that much to contribute to this kind of discussion. Maybe after I read the book, then.
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Nikki, At
7:50 PM
all i could think about is the chicken and the egg thing, you know, which comes first? i recently started doing "centering prayer" - prob will blog about it soon - and my friend who gave me a rundown of the basics behind it said, when centering to not allow any emotional reactions to a thought "because that's just another thought really" - well that really caught my attention when she said that, and i realized at leat 1/2 of my thoughts are emotional reactions and not in words. but in a sense they are still thoughts, probably just in my subconscious. what does this have to do with poetry? well, i think poetry can't be defined inside of the lump in the throat. i hear what megumi is saying because it seems much deeper. even if you have a word to start off of (which i think is totally valid, of course!) you might have a certain kind of more conscious poem, maybe, but you can still tap in to everything in you while writing it.
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strunny, At
5:15 AM
To clarify: Meg and Megumi are two different friends -- both quite amazing people.
Now... thank you for responding to this! I had put the post up, but considered removing it because it seemed too chaotic. You seemed to have understood it all well, thankfully.
After posting, I finished Heaney's essay as well, which was another reason I considered removing this. By the end Heaney seemed to assure readers (writers and readers of poetry) that a poem .
I think you are right, Meg, about there being something deeper than either thought or emotion which drives a poem... but I doubt that all poets start their poetry with this. Perhaps this is the "lump in the throat" -- though that may be somehow emotional, it might also be this sense or soul or something that cannot be articulated....
And I agree with Nikki, that a poem shouldn't lean too far in any one direction... though, I think there have been some masterpieces created this way (masterpieces by some critic's standards, failures by others... oh, the subjectivity of judging art!).
But what about the poems that come out of an experiment -- out of doing an exercise (like eavesdropping on conversations, jotting down everything you hear and then using this mass of language to create a poem later)? That type of poem-creation seems, if you do consider it poetry...if you don't think it an artificial way to compose a work, it seems like something that could end up as an emotion or as a thought... as a meaning somehow, but it wouldn't have started that way.
There are too many facets and too many forms of poetry to set rules or restrictions on them...
One interesting piece of advice that Heaney ended his essay with was to caution writers against becoming "too self-conscious about his own processes." He also said,
"in practice, you proceed by your own experience of what it is to write what you consider a successful poem."
Such wise advice... seems almost to obliterate the most of his essay, but not exactly. Hmmm...
P.S.
Meg - I do hope to get a copy of "Walking to Martha's Vineyard." Nora bought it a few weeks ago when she was here and I read the first poem. Refreshing, to say the least.
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B-Go, At
8:19 PM
Because I can... ;)
The Only Animal
by Franz Wright
The only animal that commits suicide
went for a walk in the park,
basked on a hard bench
in the first star,
traveled to the edge of space
in an armchair
while company quietly
talked, and abruptly
returned,
the room empty.
The only animal that cries
that takes off its clothes
and reports to the mirror, the one
and only animal
that brushes its own teeth --
Somewhere
the only animal that smokes a cigarette,
that lies down and flies backward in time,
that rises and walks to a book
and looks up a word
heard the telephone ringing
in the darkness downstairs and decided
to answer no more.
And I understand,
too well: how many times
have I made the decision to dwell
from now
in the hour of my death
(the space I took up here
scarlessly closing like water)
and said I'm never coming back,
and yet
this morning
I stood once again
in this world, the garden
ark and vacant
tomb of what
I can't imagine,
between twin eternities,
some sort of wings,
more or less equidistantly
exiled from both,
hovering in the dreaming called
being awake, where
You gave me
in secret one thing
to perceive, the
tall blue starry
strangenesss of being
here at all.
You gave us each in secret something to perceive.
Furless now, upright, My banished
and experimental child
You said, though your own heart condemn you
I do not condemn you.
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Emily, At
7:10 AM
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